Thomas Lindaman writes:
Because I'm a Man of My Word: I congratulate President Obama for his efforts in the operation that brought Osama Bin Laden to final justice. There were a lot of factors involved in putting together the operation and I'm glad Obama, his team, and the military personnel involved were able to come together and accomplish a major goal in the war on terrorism. Good on you, sir.
Wait for it... wait for it...
Because I'm a Man of My Word II: The speech Obama gave to the nation, to the world really, about the death of Osama Bin Laden was more than a little disappointing. Instead of focusing on those who risked their lives or those who laid the groundwork for the assault, Obama chose to talk about...himself. In a situation like that, leaders tend to focus not on taking personal credit, but spreading it around. What could have been a great speech was cheapened by his back-patting.
Right on cue. He couldn't even wait a single post before being partisan. I was not partisan in my Osama Bin Laden death post.
Know why he waited a little while before posting? He had to check and see what right-wingers like Limbaugh were saying first. Marching orders and all that.
Ah, well... since he opened the can of worms:
You say President Obama referring to himself in his speech is "back-patting"?
When discussing ordering a military attack in a foreign country, it's appropriate that the President take personal responsibility for ordering such an attack, rather than leaving that responsibility on the shoulders of his subordinates or allies and endangering them. Obama gave the order, so the responsibility is his and his alone, either good or bad. That's called protocol, not narcissism.
Yet again, clueless right-wingers would rather put our troops in danger.
If the mission had gone badly, would the right wingnuts have blamed the SEAL team, or Bush, or the military? Hell, no. They'd have blamed Obama. And, that's as it should be because the buck stops with the president. He's the one who takes ultimate responsibility.
"If the raid went wrong, Obama would bear the blame. He had vetoed a plan to obliterate the compound with an airstrike. Obama wanted to be certain he had bin Laden, and there was no guarantee that a smoking crater would yield proof. He had asked for a bolder plan, one that would allow the U.S. to take custody of bin Laden or his body. It posed far more risk."
Wow, you mean in his speech, President Obama let everyone know that the decision to use lethal force, in a foreign country without their approval, was his? He knows that if there are repercussions from all of this, it will land squarely on his back. So stuff a sock in it, at least the President isn't passing the buck around.
And this explains the rightards who are doing the same old tired horseshit... spewing about the pronouns used in Obama's speech as a negative, even comparing it to Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech. These people really can't think for themselves, can they? Complete and utter droolers and proud of it.
The Big Lie continues.
From the Obama speech:
"Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.
We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.
Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores."
Yes... what a narcissist this man is.
Would you prefer it if Obama had done the speech on an aircraft carrier? In a flight suit? In front of a huge "Mission Accomplished" banner?
An Inconvenient Truth: As much as I appreciate the sheer joy of Osama Bin Laden meeting his maker, I can't help but think about those who cheered our tragedy on 9/11
and wonder how much different we are from them. And the more I think about it, the fewer differences I see.
Wow, Lindaman agrees with Michael Moore! lol
The ideologies of extreme right-wingers and Islamofascists are frighteningly similar. Yet you're just now figuring this out? As far as the cheering, I would too if the financier of my oppressor were finally given a taste of its own medicine. I don't blame the Palestinians for hating us. Yes, we're all celebrating Bin Laden's death. I know you guys secretly loved him because he was a bogeyman that helped get Bush re-elected (and endorsed McCain). And I know you hate the fact that people are giving a Democratic President props for getting the job done (as usual). You'll just have to get over that.
So, Who Gets Credit?: Is it George W. Bush? Is it Barack Obama? Is it Bill Clinton? At this point, there is enough credit (and blame) to go around. Leave it at that.
LOL You right-wingers sure would love it if people "left it at that" wouldn't you?
Tell you what... let's not leave it at that, shall we?
This is coming from the guy that tried to blame BP spilling all their oil into the ocean... on Obama.
Lindaman, like most right-wingers, now suddenly want to "spread the credit." This gives a clear indication that the credit goes to Obama. lol
Let's see... Obama:
1. Made a calculated gamble even though we weren't sure Bin Laden was there.
2. Decided not to alert Pakistani authorities so Bin Laden wouldn't be tipped off.
3. Listened to all opinions from military advisers before deciding on the best plan.
4. Gambled that the mission would come off as a clean strike in minimal time.
5. Risked defining his presidency as being marked by a failed commando raid.
It's worth pointing out that Obama said he would do this before the election and at the same sitting McCain said he would not, that Pakistan is a sovereign nation, he wouldn't violate their territory to get Bin Laden.
Obama went from a lawyer to president of the USA by creating a strong political base which eventually gave him the mandate of Chief Executive and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Or are we to assume the intelligence and uniformed services are in perpetual motion, working at tasks they themselves wish performed? Last weekend he chose to risk his political power and quite possibly his presidency and the lives of American troops in a risky operation with no guarantee of success. Not everyone would have made that decision. Do you get that? McCain himself stated during the campaign he wasn't in favor of invading Pakistan... look it up. Another president might have chosen flattening the place (which would only make identifying Bin Laden more difficult), or doing nothing at all. Obama's decision not only added a measure of certainty that Bin Laden was killed, but also resulted in a major intelligence coup where we got ten hard drives and over 100 DVDs and thumbdrives of information, when all the authoritarians said he should have just bombed the place.
Sorry, you all-talk-no-action righties: Obama deserves huge credit for this decision. Keep in mind, by the way, that several candidates called Obama's statement in 2008 - that he'd hunt bin Laden into Pakistan - irresponsible and naive. How's that feeling now?
In 2006, Bush disbanded the CIA's Bin Laden Task force. Bush didn't get the job done. All he managed to do was ignore intelligence which allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place, get us into a war we didn't need to fight, and let bin Laden live a long time in a comfy villa after killing 3000 American citizens.
But Reagan deserves some credit, too. After all, if Reagan didn't help create Bin Laden, there never would've been a Bin Laden for Obama to take down.
The Political Fall-Out: To many, killing Osama Bin Laden has all but ensured President Obama a second term. I'm not so sure. Time will tell.
I have a question for Thomas "Obama will lose the 2008 November election" Lindaman:
Now that taxes are lower for people in your working class thanks to Obama, and Osama Bin Laden has been killed with no American troops dead thanks to Obama's leadership skills and anti-terrorism strategy, and the economy is better thanks to Obama, and you won't be denied health insurance for preexisting conditions thanks to Obama, and your credit cards are better thanks to Obama... could you please explain to me why you would vote for anyone else but Obama?
Obama gives the word to take down Osama Bin Laden, then puts on a tux and kicks ass at a stand up routine at the press dinner... and then gets to announce the death of Osama bin Laden by interrupting Donald Trump's show on the 8th anniversary of Bush's bullshit "Mission Accomplished" speech. I'm pretty sure he could teach Charlie Sheen a thing or two about winning. Oh, but he's not a leader... right? RIGHT?
The Biggest Mistake We Can Make Right Now: I get the feeling with the death of Osama Bin Laden, people will think we can deescalate the war on terrorism. That would be a huge mistake because the war on terrorism has never been and should never be about getting Bin Laden. Now that he's out of the picture, there are others who will step up and fill the void he left. If the situations in Egypt and Libya are any indication, we may be getting cozy with people as extreme as Bin Laden was, which means another 9/11 becomes that much more certain.
Lindaman is concerned again! Was totally unconcerned about Iraq, of course.
If you're right, Lindaman, then we better be sure we have a leader like Obama, shouldn't we?
Oh, wait... to right-wingers, this is a leader:
Burial at Sea?: This part has me puzzled. People involved with the burial of Osama Bin Laden said they gave him a proper burial at sea in accordance with the Muslim faith. Yet, Muslim clerics have said the burial wasn't in accordance with the Muslim faith and was actually an affront to it. You know, if I were in charge of that operation, I would make sure to take extra care not to offend the Muslims any more than I did by taking down Osama Bin Laden. That's kind of something you want to be sure to get right if at all possible. Just sayin'.
Some Muslims will be offended no matter what was done with the body. Putting Osama in a grave (unmarked or not) was not on the table. No frigging way. And incinerating the body would have caused massive outrage.
Do you have an alternative?
This was the best resolution as far as the body goes, and you know it.
Lindaman sure understands about taking extra care not to "offend Muslims." Lindaman stated that he wanted to erect a Star of David and a Christian Cross on a Muslim community center (that's on private fucking property). Fred Phelps would be proud.
Yet again, Lindaman has zero credibility. But what else can one expect from a birther like him? Oh, and we're still waiting for Lindaman to elaborate further on how Obama's citizenship is "questionable." lol
Because I'm a Man of My Word: I congratulate President Obama for his efforts in the operation that brought Osama Bin Laden to final justice. There were a lot of factors involved in putting together the operation and I'm glad Obama, his team, and the military personnel involved were able to come together and accomplish a major goal in the war on terrorism. Good on you, sir.
Wait for it... wait for it...
Because I'm a Man of My Word II: The speech Obama gave to the nation, to the world really, about the death of Osama Bin Laden was more than a little disappointing. Instead of focusing on those who risked their lives or those who laid the groundwork for the assault, Obama chose to talk about...himself. In a situation like that, leaders tend to focus not on taking personal credit, but spreading it around. What could have been a great speech was cheapened by his back-patting.
Right on cue. He couldn't even wait a single post before being partisan. I was not partisan in my Osama Bin Laden death post.
Know why he waited a little while before posting? He had to check and see what right-wingers like Limbaugh were saying first. Marching orders and all that.
Ah, well... since he opened the can of worms:
You say President Obama referring to himself in his speech is "back-patting"?
When discussing ordering a military attack in a foreign country, it's appropriate that the President take personal responsibility for ordering such an attack, rather than leaving that responsibility on the shoulders of his subordinates or allies and endangering them. Obama gave the order, so the responsibility is his and his alone, either good or bad. That's called protocol, not narcissism.
Yet again, clueless right-wingers would rather put our troops in danger.
If the mission had gone badly, would the right wingnuts have blamed the SEAL team, or Bush, or the military? Hell, no. They'd have blamed Obama. And, that's as it should be because the buck stops with the president. He's the one who takes ultimate responsibility.
"If the raid went wrong, Obama would bear the blame. He had vetoed a plan to obliterate the compound with an airstrike. Obama wanted to be certain he had bin Laden, and there was no guarantee that a smoking crater would yield proof. He had asked for a bolder plan, one that would allow the U.S. to take custody of bin Laden or his body. It posed far more risk."
Wow, you mean in his speech, President Obama let everyone know that the decision to use lethal force, in a foreign country without their approval, was his? He knows that if there are repercussions from all of this, it will land squarely on his back. So stuff a sock in it, at least the President isn't passing the buck around.
And this explains the rightards who are doing the same old tired horseshit... spewing about the pronouns used in Obama's speech as a negative, even comparing it to Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech. These people really can't think for themselves, can they? Complete and utter droolers and proud of it.
The Big Lie continues.
From the Obama speech:
"Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.
We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.
Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores."
Yes... what a narcissist this man is.
Would you prefer it if Obama had done the speech on an aircraft carrier? In a flight suit? In front of a huge "Mission Accomplished" banner?
An Inconvenient Truth: As much as I appreciate the sheer joy of Osama Bin Laden meeting his maker, I can't help but think about those who cheered our tragedy on 9/11
and wonder how much different we are from them. And the more I think about it, the fewer differences I see.
Wow, Lindaman agrees with Michael Moore! lol
The ideologies of extreme right-wingers and Islamofascists are frighteningly similar. Yet you're just now figuring this out? As far as the cheering, I would too if the financier of my oppressor were finally given a taste of its own medicine. I don't blame the Palestinians for hating us. Yes, we're all celebrating Bin Laden's death. I know you guys secretly loved him because he was a bogeyman that helped get Bush re-elected (and endorsed McCain). And I know you hate the fact that people are giving a Democratic President props for getting the job done (as usual). You'll just have to get over that.
So, Who Gets Credit?: Is it George W. Bush? Is it Barack Obama? Is it Bill Clinton? At this point, there is enough credit (and blame) to go around. Leave it at that.
LOL You right-wingers sure would love it if people "left it at that" wouldn't you?
Tell you what... let's not leave it at that, shall we?
This is coming from the guy that tried to blame BP spilling all their oil into the ocean... on Obama.
Lindaman, like most right-wingers, now suddenly want to "spread the credit." This gives a clear indication that the credit goes to Obama. lol
Let's see... Obama:
1. Made a calculated gamble even though we weren't sure Bin Laden was there.
2. Decided not to alert Pakistani authorities so Bin Laden wouldn't be tipped off.
3. Listened to all opinions from military advisers before deciding on the best plan.
4. Gambled that the mission would come off as a clean strike in minimal time.
5. Risked defining his presidency as being marked by a failed commando raid.
It's worth pointing out that Obama said he would do this before the election and at the same sitting McCain said he would not, that Pakistan is a sovereign nation, he wouldn't violate their territory to get Bin Laden.
Obama went from a lawyer to president of the USA by creating a strong political base which eventually gave him the mandate of Chief Executive and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Or are we to assume the intelligence and uniformed services are in perpetual motion, working at tasks they themselves wish performed? Last weekend he chose to risk his political power and quite possibly his presidency and the lives of American troops in a risky operation with no guarantee of success. Not everyone would have made that decision. Do you get that? McCain himself stated during the campaign he wasn't in favor of invading Pakistan... look it up. Another president might have chosen flattening the place (which would only make identifying Bin Laden more difficult), or doing nothing at all. Obama's decision not only added a measure of certainty that Bin Laden was killed, but also resulted in a major intelligence coup where we got ten hard drives and over 100 DVDs and thumbdrives of information, when all the authoritarians said he should have just bombed the place.
Sorry, you all-talk-no-action righties: Obama deserves huge credit for this decision. Keep in mind, by the way, that several candidates called Obama's statement in 2008 - that he'd hunt bin Laden into Pakistan - irresponsible and naive. How's that feeling now?
In 2006, Bush disbanded the CIA's Bin Laden Task force. Bush didn't get the job done. All he managed to do was ignore intelligence which allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place, get us into a war we didn't need to fight, and let bin Laden live a long time in a comfy villa after killing 3000 American citizens.
But Reagan deserves some credit, too. After all, if Reagan didn't help create Bin Laden, there never would've been a Bin Laden for Obama to take down.
The Political Fall-Out: To many, killing Osama Bin Laden has all but ensured President Obama a second term. I'm not so sure. Time will tell.
I have a question for Thomas "Obama will lose the 2008 November election" Lindaman:
Now that taxes are lower for people in your working class thanks to Obama, and Osama Bin Laden has been killed with no American troops dead thanks to Obama's leadership skills and anti-terrorism strategy, and the economy is better thanks to Obama, and you won't be denied health insurance for preexisting conditions thanks to Obama, and your credit cards are better thanks to Obama... could you please explain to me why you would vote for anyone else but Obama?
Obama gives the word to take down Osama Bin Laden, then puts on a tux and kicks ass at a stand up routine at the press dinner... and then gets to announce the death of Osama bin Laden by interrupting Donald Trump's show on the 8th anniversary of Bush's bullshit "Mission Accomplished" speech. I'm pretty sure he could teach Charlie Sheen a thing or two about winning. Oh, but he's not a leader... right? RIGHT?
The Biggest Mistake We Can Make Right Now: I get the feeling with the death of Osama Bin Laden, people will think we can deescalate the war on terrorism. That would be a huge mistake because the war on terrorism has never been and should never be about getting Bin Laden. Now that he's out of the picture, there are others who will step up and fill the void he left. If the situations in Egypt and Libya are any indication, we may be getting cozy with people as extreme as Bin Laden was, which means another 9/11 becomes that much more certain.
Lindaman is concerned again! Was totally unconcerned about Iraq, of course.
If you're right, Lindaman, then we better be sure we have a leader like Obama, shouldn't we?
Oh, wait... to right-wingers, this is a leader:
Burial at Sea?: This part has me puzzled. People involved with the burial of Osama Bin Laden said they gave him a proper burial at sea in accordance with the Muslim faith. Yet, Muslim clerics have said the burial wasn't in accordance with the Muslim faith and was actually an affront to it. You know, if I were in charge of that operation, I would make sure to take extra care not to offend the Muslims any more than I did by taking down Osama Bin Laden. That's kind of something you want to be sure to get right if at all possible. Just sayin'.
Some Muslims will be offended no matter what was done with the body. Putting Osama in a grave (unmarked or not) was not on the table. No frigging way. And incinerating the body would have caused massive outrage.
Do you have an alternative?
This was the best resolution as far as the body goes, and you know it.
Lindaman sure understands about taking extra care not to "offend Muslims." Lindaman stated that he wanted to erect a Star of David and a Christian Cross on a Muslim community center (that's on private fucking property). Fred Phelps would be proud.
Yet again, Lindaman has zero credibility. But what else can one expect from a birther like him? Oh, and we're still waiting for Lindaman to elaborate further on how Obama's citizenship is "questionable." lol