Lindaman writes:
One of the hot issues right now is the proposed building of a mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero in New York City. Some say it's a way to heal the wounds of 9/11 by showing that we're above hatred. Others say it disrespects the families of those who died on 9/11.
Guess which side I'm on.
The wrong one, which is always a winning guess.
Folks, let me be as blunt as possible. If this mosque goes up, it will prove that we haven't learned a damn thing from 9/11. We're doomed to make the same mistakes of believing hollow words and ignoring real action unless we think through this carefully.
And the place to start is with the fundamental question: why build a mosque within two blocks of a site where Muslim extremists attacked a major American, and dare I say world, city? Wasn't there another spot that is closer to the Muslim community in NYC? And wouldn't the greed and social climbing connected to Manhattan be an affront to Islam on some level? None of it makes sense.
Unless you look at it from the standpoint of a radical Muslim. To them, building a mosque within a short distance of a martyrdom site is highly attractive, especially when it's going a poke in the eye of "the Great Satan." (For the uninitiated and for the Left, that's us.) And let's not forget that radical Muslims are trained to use our freedoms against us and invent scandals to make us scared to speak out against them.
And what does Mayor Mike Bloomberg do? Become the Capitulator in Chief and defend the mosque being built.
There's a fine line between tolerance and allowing people to take advantage of you. And let me tell you, radical Muslims are taking advantage of all of us with this Ground Zero mosque. While the Left attacks Sarah Palin for Tweeting her opposition to the mosque, they miss the obvious: they're being used for a purpose that will ultimately destroy them and, if they bothered to think through their stated positions for more than a microsecond, they would be opposed to, and should be if they had any sense whatsoever. I'm asking a lot, I know, but it's still a dream...
However, to be fair, I am willing to drop my opposition to the Ground Zero mosque on one condition: they allow me to erect two symbols at the entrance to the mosque.
A Star of David, and a Christian Cross.
After all, if it's all about tolerance, shouldn't we hold Muslims to the same standards that they want to hold us to?
Ground Zero isn't holy ground, idiot.
It's a community center with a prayer room attached. Anybody can go in, anybody can use it. You folks think reality has anything to do with the right-wing pants-pissing screeching hordes?
Also, Cordoba was known for 700 years as a place where religious minds met and discussed from several faiths. It was also the epicenter of scientific progress.
Cordoba Initiative (CI) aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions.
There's an ACTUAL mosque six minutes away from the community center, already, BTW.
Dirty Muslims. What have they ever done for our country?
Right-wingers must see the faces of these potential terrorists every night...
Look at this potential terrorist mother. Look at her, hanging on that dirty Muslim grave like it meant something important.
What is the acceptable radius for a "no muslim" zone?
Mosques... in NYC? Inconceivable!
Did Palin finally manage to "refudiate" her critics?
You know who else fought for a religious cleansing of a place they consider sacred?
Did no Muslims die in the towers?
I'm sure Salman Hamdani is spinning in his grave. And Mohammad Chowdhury. Or Rahma Salie and her unborn child. Or the dozens and dozens of other Muslim victims of 9/11 and their families, like Chowdhury's orphaned child who was born two days after 9/11.
"Islam" didn't attack America on 9/11. A small group of crazy people, who were Muslim, did it. Way to condemn by association a religion of more than a billion people. The rest of the Muslim world had about as much to do with it as you have to do with suspects being tortured at Gitmo.
Collective punishment is one incredibly immoral behavior we have never really been able to stamp out. It's hard to convince people that it's wrong when we work so hard to dehumanize our enemies.
This is nothing big to New Yorkers. Having a muslim community center in downtown would be a very big sign of how New Yorkers actually are: unafraid, accepting of different points of view, and not willing to blame everyone for a few morons activities. You know, unlike those forgiving "Christian" inbred midwesterners who have giant ears of corn shoved in their ears and up their collective fat asses.
Why are all these self described "small government, states rights" advocates... telling New York City what kind of churches they can and can not build? Why are you NOW so concerned about what a private organization does with their money? Tell us, logically, how allowing the Islamic center would cripple NYC and the nation.
So what is the argument from the right-wingers here? That Muslim terrorists will gather in the "mosque" that is "near" Ground Zero? Do they even know what their argument is?
Watch out, folks! The radical mooslums are going to fly the mosque into a building! Or... something.
You should buy this pickup truck, it's perfect for you:
If REAL radical Muslims really wanted to harm America, they'd shave their beards and pretend to be conservative pundits. They have the same values, so it wouldn't be too difficult.
So tell us, rednecks: Are all Muslims responsible for 9/11? That question is what the far right is dancing around and eventually they're going to have to just say it point-blank.
Saying that al Qaeda fanatics are the same as other Muslims is like saying the crazy snake-handlers, or the people who shoot up abortion clinics are the same as every other Christian.
In other words, it shows you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you bigoted pile of shit.
You can't get around it. You're telling Muslims to go be Muslims somewhere else. There's no way for anyone to rationalize this as anything other than bigotry.
Us "America-haters", however... are not afraid of buildings. Conservatives are a bunch of bedwetting pussies.
On the other hand, I'd also be happy if the "mosque" wasn't there. Because I'd be happy if mosques weren't ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. I'd also be happy if Christian churches and Jewish synagogues weren't anywhere in the world. Because the Muslim, Jewish, and Christian God are all from the Old Testament. And the Old Testament is proven bullshit. Your collective god is fake, and houses of worship of that god encourage ignorance.
That being said, even if Christians and Muslims are assbackwards dumbfucks worshipping invisible sky wizards, and my seeing ALL of their little worship-houses gone would make me very happy, that doesn't mean that I want to take away their right to do so. Neither I nor any other American should get to say or do anything about where or how any religion should get together to justify their dumbfuckedness to one another.
It's absolutely moronic to believe in gods. But it's far worse than moronic, it's dangerous -- to discriminate against people based on which particular god they like best.
Of course it's going to offend some people. Let them be offended. Who cares about hurting the feelings of bigots?
I'm sure Lindaman is also outraged there's a church near the OKC bombing site, since it's an insult to the victims due to the bombing being committed by a Christian.
What's even funnier fodder, is that the "radical islamist" that wants to build the center... is a Sufi!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism
Jihadist groups like Al-Queda see other, conventional Muslims as "the near enemy" and actually want to kill them more than your typical American, who is considered "the far enemy". I can't help but wonder why we would want to alienate the vast majority of moderate Muslims by not letting this go through; wouldn't it be better to show solidarity with Muslims and push the real jihadists further and further to the edges, or are we trying to push moderate Muslims closer to the jihadists?
You know what's interesting? Notice that not a single person blogging about being opposed to the "Mosque on Ground Zero!" has expressed even the slightest interest in working together to come up with an alternative, or maybe find some common ground. They simply demand that they get their way and the community center not be built. Even the ones that claim to be bothered by the "tension" simply expect the other side to give in completely so they can have their way.
And suffice it to say, the community center isn't even at Ground Zero. It's a few NEW YORK CITY blocks away. Do you know what even two NEW YORK CITY blocks can be there? You can be in a different universe practically in the space of two NEW YORK CITY blocks.
Oh, wait... these cries of fear are coming from bloggers who live in shitty apartments in redneck states. They have no concept of what a city block IN A REAL CITY is.
The only "ground" that's being disturbed is a plot of real estate for an old Burlington Coat Factory. It's just so sad... that old Burlington Coat Factory building is being made into a "mosque"... It will never be a Burlington Coat Factory ever again. Fuck the firefighters... Burlington Coat Factory was the real hero of 9/11.
Keep sticking up for yellow journalism and manufactured outrage.
Right-wingers like these, who would twist the Constitution to protect their childlike sensitivities are more dangerous to America than any Muslim terrorist could ever hope to be.
You're right about "Forgetting Lessons" from 9/11. You still let fear and hate dominate your life. Which is precisely how the terrorists want you to feel. Bin Laden would be laughing his ass off at you guys for enabling him the way you have since 9/11.
According to right-wingers, the best way to eradicate intolerance is to practice it.
One of the hot issues right now is the proposed building of a mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero in New York City. Some say it's a way to heal the wounds of 9/11 by showing that we're above hatred. Others say it disrespects the families of those who died on 9/11.
Guess which side I'm on.
The wrong one, which is always a winning guess.
Folks, let me be as blunt as possible. If this mosque goes up, it will prove that we haven't learned a damn thing from 9/11. We're doomed to make the same mistakes of believing hollow words and ignoring real action unless we think through this carefully.
And the place to start is with the fundamental question: why build a mosque within two blocks of a site where Muslim extremists attacked a major American, and dare I say world, city? Wasn't there another spot that is closer to the Muslim community in NYC? And wouldn't the greed and social climbing connected to Manhattan be an affront to Islam on some level? None of it makes sense.
Unless you look at it from the standpoint of a radical Muslim. To them, building a mosque within a short distance of a martyrdom site is highly attractive, especially when it's going a poke in the eye of "the Great Satan." (For the uninitiated and for the Left, that's us.) And let's not forget that radical Muslims are trained to use our freedoms against us and invent scandals to make us scared to speak out against them.
And what does Mayor Mike Bloomberg do? Become the Capitulator in Chief and defend the mosque being built.
There's a fine line between tolerance and allowing people to take advantage of you. And let me tell you, radical Muslims are taking advantage of all of us with this Ground Zero mosque. While the Left attacks Sarah Palin for Tweeting her opposition to the mosque, they miss the obvious: they're being used for a purpose that will ultimately destroy them and, if they bothered to think through their stated positions for more than a microsecond, they would be opposed to, and should be if they had any sense whatsoever. I'm asking a lot, I know, but it's still a dream...
However, to be fair, I am willing to drop my opposition to the Ground Zero mosque on one condition: they allow me to erect two symbols at the entrance to the mosque.
A Star of David, and a Christian Cross.
After all, if it's all about tolerance, shouldn't we hold Muslims to the same standards that they want to hold us to?
Ground Zero isn't holy ground, idiot.
It's a community center with a prayer room attached. Anybody can go in, anybody can use it. You folks think reality has anything to do with the right-wing pants-pissing screeching hordes?
Also, Cordoba was known for 700 years as a place where religious minds met and discussed from several faiths. It was also the epicenter of scientific progress.
Cordoba Initiative (CI) aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions.
There's an ACTUAL mosque six minutes away from the community center, already, BTW.
Dirty Muslims. What have they ever done for our country?
Right-wingers must see the faces of these potential terrorists every night...
Look at this potential terrorist mother. Look at her, hanging on that dirty Muslim grave like it meant something important.
What is the acceptable radius for a "no muslim" zone?
Mosques... in NYC? Inconceivable!
Did Palin finally manage to "refudiate" her critics?
You know who else fought for a religious cleansing of a place they consider sacred?
Did no Muslims die in the towers?
I'm sure Salman Hamdani is spinning in his grave. And Mohammad Chowdhury. Or Rahma Salie and her unborn child. Or the dozens and dozens of other Muslim victims of 9/11 and their families, like Chowdhury's orphaned child who was born two days after 9/11.
"Islam" didn't attack America on 9/11. A small group of crazy people, who were Muslim, did it. Way to condemn by association a religion of more than a billion people. The rest of the Muslim world had about as much to do with it as you have to do with suspects being tortured at Gitmo.
Collective punishment is one incredibly immoral behavior we have never really been able to stamp out. It's hard to convince people that it's wrong when we work so hard to dehumanize our enemies.
This is nothing big to New Yorkers. Having a muslim community center in downtown would be a very big sign of how New Yorkers actually are: unafraid, accepting of different points of view, and not willing to blame everyone for a few morons activities. You know, unlike those forgiving "Christian" inbred midwesterners who have giant ears of corn shoved in their ears and up their collective fat asses.
Why are all these self described "small government, states rights" advocates... telling New York City what kind of churches they can and can not build? Why are you NOW so concerned about what a private organization does with their money? Tell us, logically, how allowing the Islamic center would cripple NYC and the nation.
So what is the argument from the right-wingers here? That Muslim terrorists will gather in the "mosque" that is "near" Ground Zero? Do they even know what their argument is?
Watch out, folks! The radical mooslums are going to fly the mosque into a building! Or... something.
You should buy this pickup truck, it's perfect for you:
If REAL radical Muslims really wanted to harm America, they'd shave their beards and pretend to be conservative pundits. They have the same values, so it wouldn't be too difficult.
So tell us, rednecks: Are all Muslims responsible for 9/11? That question is what the far right is dancing around and eventually they're going to have to just say it point-blank.
Saying that al Qaeda fanatics are the same as other Muslims is like saying the crazy snake-handlers, or the people who shoot up abortion clinics are the same as every other Christian.
In other words, it shows you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you bigoted pile of shit.
You can't get around it. You're telling Muslims to go be Muslims somewhere else. There's no way for anyone to rationalize this as anything other than bigotry.
Us "America-haters", however... are not afraid of buildings. Conservatives are a bunch of bedwetting pussies.
On the other hand, I'd also be happy if the "mosque" wasn't there. Because I'd be happy if mosques weren't ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. I'd also be happy if Christian churches and Jewish synagogues weren't anywhere in the world. Because the Muslim, Jewish, and Christian God are all from the Old Testament. And the Old Testament is proven bullshit. Your collective god is fake, and houses of worship of that god encourage ignorance.
That being said, even if Christians and Muslims are assbackwards dumbfucks worshipping invisible sky wizards, and my seeing ALL of their little worship-houses gone would make me very happy, that doesn't mean that I want to take away their right to do so. Neither I nor any other American should get to say or do anything about where or how any religion should get together to justify their dumbfuckedness to one another.
It's absolutely moronic to believe in gods. But it's far worse than moronic, it's dangerous -- to discriminate against people based on which particular god they like best.
Of course it's going to offend some people. Let them be offended. Who cares about hurting the feelings of bigots?
I'm sure Lindaman is also outraged there's a church near the OKC bombing site, since it's an insult to the victims due to the bombing being committed by a Christian.
What's even funnier fodder, is that the "radical islamist" that wants to build the center... is a Sufi!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism
Jihadist groups like Al-Queda see other, conventional Muslims as "the near enemy" and actually want to kill them more than your typical American, who is considered "the far enemy". I can't help but wonder why we would want to alienate the vast majority of moderate Muslims by not letting this go through; wouldn't it be better to show solidarity with Muslims and push the real jihadists further and further to the edges, or are we trying to push moderate Muslims closer to the jihadists?
You know what's interesting? Notice that not a single person blogging about being opposed to the "Mosque on Ground Zero!" has expressed even the slightest interest in working together to come up with an alternative, or maybe find some common ground. They simply demand that they get their way and the community center not be built. Even the ones that claim to be bothered by the "tension" simply expect the other side to give in completely so they can have their way.
And suffice it to say, the community center isn't even at Ground Zero. It's a few NEW YORK CITY blocks away. Do you know what even two NEW YORK CITY blocks can be there? You can be in a different universe practically in the space of two NEW YORK CITY blocks.
Oh, wait... these cries of fear are coming from bloggers who live in shitty apartments in redneck states. They have no concept of what a city block IN A REAL CITY is.
The only "ground" that's being disturbed is a plot of real estate for an old Burlington Coat Factory. It's just so sad... that old Burlington Coat Factory building is being made into a "mosque"... It will never be a Burlington Coat Factory ever again. Fuck the firefighters... Burlington Coat Factory was the real hero of 9/11.
Keep sticking up for yellow journalism and manufactured outrage.
Right-wingers like these, who would twist the Constitution to protect their childlike sensitivities are more dangerous to America than any Muslim terrorist could ever hope to be.
You're right about "Forgetting Lessons" from 9/11. You still let fear and hate dominate your life. Which is precisely how the terrorists want you to feel. Bin Laden would be laughing his ass off at you guys for enabling him the way you have since 9/11.
According to right-wingers, the best way to eradicate intolerance is to practice it.