Thomas Lindaman wrote:
One of the favorite "defenses"
"I put 'defenses' in quote marks, that makes the proven facts untrue!"
that the AGW proponents drag out
"By saying 'drag out' that means they're not facts!"
to diminish discoveries
Not discoveries, LIES.
by people By LIARS.
who find flaws
Except they aren't flaws. Nice try.
with their religion...I mean "factual arguments"...
AGW has facts on its side. You have nothing.
And your religion is proven bullshit. And you know it, too. That's why you have to paint everything else in religious terms. "Obama is The One! Obamassiah!" "Al Gore is the messiah of AGW!" "AGW is a cult!" "AGW is a religion!" "Atheism is a religion!" "Richard Dawkins is their messiah!" All to try and make the fact that you believe in proven bullshit, look more credible. It won't work. Your ADMITTED religion, is proven bullshit. And it's just as stupid as believing in Zeus.
So don't try to drag science down to your levels, you religious nutjobs.
is to bring up that the skeptics aren't climatologists. Apparently, their logic is that, unless you're a climatologist, you can't understand the intricacies of AGW.
They aren't "skeptics." Skeptics would USE evidence. You idiots IGNORE evidence. That makes you DENIERS.
Enter Al Gore. In spite of his lack of scientific credentials, AGW proponents cling to what he says (which is pretty much cribbed notes of what others have said).
Enter lying right-wing bloggers. Al Gore is not a climatologist, never claimed to be a climatologist, and no climatologist uses Al Gore as a source for their research. Yet again, you right-wing bloggers have to base an entire post on a strawman LIE.
This inconsistency should not go unnoticed,
There's no "inconsistency." So how can it be noticed?
especially when you consider the following statements that show how little credibility the former Vice President has on the subject of our earth.
Every single source you use has ZERO credibility. That never stopped you.
"People think about geothermal energy - when they think about it at all - in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in some places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot..." --- Al Gore, "The Tonight Show", 11/12/09 The inconvenient truth: It's estimated that the earth's core is around 4000 degrees Celsius.
Yep, Gore was wrong. Too bad he didn't say that in his documentary or lectures. Too bad that doesn't mean AGW isn't a reality and that geothermal energy isn't an excellent energy source. And too bad climatologists aren't using that Tonight Show clip as a source.
"Some of the models suggest to Dr. [Wieslaw] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire polar ice cap during some summer months could be completely ice free within five to seven years." --- Al Gore, keynote address at the Copenhagen climate summit, 12/15/09 The inconvenient truth: Dr. Maslowski's study says nothing of the sort. Maslowski, who works at the U. S. Naval Postgraduate School, stated that his study projected an 80% decline in the arctic ice in about six years, but that there would still be ice. But you don't have to take my own word at Maslowski calling out Gore's exaggeration. Dr. Maslowski said, "I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean."
If you actually read his brochure, Maslowski's reaches nearly the same conclusion as Gore: "Projecting the trend into the future indicates that autumn could become near ice free between 2011 and 2016 (Maslowski, 2009)." After the brochure was exposed, Maslowski had to backpedal recently and instead state "I said NEAR ice free, not COMPLETELY ice free!"
As if "near ice free" somehow makes the finding any less alarming.
"For a long time, the scientists have been telling us global warming increases the temperature of the top layer in the ocean, and that causes the average hurricane to become a lot stronger." --- Al Gore, courtesy of http://www.woopidoo.com/business_quotes/authors/al-gore/index.htm. The inconvenient truth: According to Ryan N. Maue of Florida State University, global hurricane energy has dropped to 30 year lows. [http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/] Although Maue admits activity may be on its way back up, the fact that there was this lull while Gore has claimed the earth has gotten hotter should give even the most ardent AGW follower reason to pause.
This has already been covered in an earlier post. Gore repeatedly stated that there's no consensus among scientists regarding hurricane frequency. He was referring only to the STRENGTH of hurricanes. And Maue's report was regarding frequency or a combination of strength AND frequency, not simply strength.
The Maue report and Gore's statement do not conflict at all.
"So, the fact that the ocean temperatures did go up because of global warming, because of man-made global warming, starting around the seventies, and then we had a string of unusually strong hurricanes outside of this multi-decadal cycle that is a real factor..." --- Al Gore, courtesy of http://www.woopidoo.com/business_quotes/authors/al-gore/index.htm The inconvenient truth: That may not be as accurate an indication of AGW as Gore and his followers think. Jo Nova
Ah, yes. Joanne Nova, writer of "The Skeptics Handbook" and not a climatologist. She's a public speaker who is now suddenly a "climate expert." Kind of like denier bloggers. Her real name is Joanne Codling. "Nova" is her stage name. lol
compiles evidence that ocean temperatures may not be warming after all and shows a possible omission of pertinent information, not unlike the attempts to suppress data that doesn't coincide with the prevalent message. [http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/ocean-temperatures-the-new-bluff-in-alarmism/]
"Suppress data"? "Nova" is basing her conclusions on ARGO buoys that were calibrated WRONG. When it was discovered that the calibrations were wrong, the data was no longer used. This is "suppression"??
When the calibration was fixed, here's the result: http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Pdf/heat_2006.pdf
Whoops, the "cooling trend" vanished. Guess the calibrators are in on the simple conspiracy.
You talk about Gore being used as a source (which he isn't). Then you use Nova as a source. Funny!
"It's a complicated relationship, but the most important part of it is this: When there is more CO2 in the atmosphere, the temperature increases because more heat from the Sun is trapped inside." --- Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth, page 67 The inconvenient truth: Scientists have noted that Gore's own graph shows that temperatures warmed before CO2 levels increased. [http://www.slideshare.net/guest3c5779/al-gore-climate-change-inconvenient-truth]
And Gore doesn't deny that at all, liar. Funny how you omitted that crucial bit of information. REP. JOE BARTON (R-TX):"The temperature goes up before the CO2 goes up." GORE: "Sometimes that has been true in the past. The opposite has also been true in the past. But what's happening now is that we because of human action are overwhelming all of those cycles." [Joint House committee hearing, 3/21/07]
And last, but certainly not least... The most inconvenient truth: Al Gore got a D in Natural Sciences 6 (Man's Place in Nature) during his sophomore year at St. Albans. But don't worry. He bumped that up to a C+ when he took Natural Sciences 116 during his senior year. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18] Kinda makes you question Gore's credibility, doesn't it?
And when you show us a climatologist that uses Al Gore as a data source, you can point these things out.
You right-wing bloggers use NOTHING but non-climatologists, as SOURCES.
Let me ask you this, Lindaman: As you said, Al Gore had a brain fart and said the earth's core is "Millions of degrees" instead of "Thousands of degrees" on The Tonight Show. Now, if Gore was confronted with this mistake, do you think Gore would STILL insist that the earth's core is "Millions of degrees"? Of course he wouldn't. And that alone makes him better than your denier blog sources.
Because when they're faced with the facts, you keep repeating the same lies OVER and OVER again.
Once again: Al Gore is not a climatologist. Al Gore never claimed to be a climatologist. No climatologist uses Al Gore as a source for their research.
Right-wing bloggers are the ones that use non-climatologists exclusively. Because you have nothing else.